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Fiat Panda Cross - low tax, insurance and high mpg - cos even after the apocalypse the government will prevail!
Fiat Panda Cross - low tax, insurance and high mpg - cos even after the apocalypse the government will prevail!
The greatest off road vehicle ever!
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There are people here who come and go with the tide, advocating the Inca-inspired use of Llamas as pack animals.
Even a mule has a better disposition and doesn't spit stomach acid. Llamas don't taste good. Vote for the mule.
Even a mule has a better disposition and doesn't spit stomach acid. Llamas don't taste good. Vote for the mule.
People eat Yak? I thought they were too valuable for other purposes.
If you were in a hurry, I suppose a pack Pronghorn Antelope would be ideal. Actually related to goats.
I know they can sprint at 60mph and cruise at 50mph. Unnerving when they run beside the car.
If you were in a hurry, I suppose a pack Pronghorn Antelope would be ideal. Actually related to goats.
I know they can sprint at 60mph and cruise at 50mph. Unnerving when they run beside the car.
I have a soft spot for goats, always liked them. However the energy required to persuade a goat to walk in the direction that you want to walk may well be greater than the energy it would take to just carry the packs yourself.Pack Goat, far more flavour
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I keep asking in the wife in hopes she'll go for the lesser evil of getting another dog.
I reckon i could raise a pack sheep. A full grown 100kg ram is a natural born plodder and strong as hell, i once rode one for a bet lol
Aye Up.
Fiat Panda Cross 1.3 litre multi-jet turbo diesel 4x4 with electronic locking diff and hill start. 56 mpg.
Very true and mine has been used both off-road and in that smashing blast of winter weather that we had several years ago and performed admirably, towing cars twice its weight over packed snow. (You can pick them up sub 5k now and well worth it).
I only wish that I had had my dash cam back then when I trolled up in the Panda to a location that Jeep and Landrover drivers thought they were the only ones who could get to it!
Off road it's only limitation is ground clearance (and on really steep, extended inclines - standing-start power) but if you pick the right line and keep the momentum up it can be very impressive.
It's size and power to weight ratio (plus psuedo diff lock system) has seen it go through places larger 4x4s have floundered.
It is a great shame that JLR can't make something similar (even better) with such all round performance for UK consumption.
I've owned and off-roaded most common makes of 4x4 over the years but as an all rounder the FPC takes the biscuit - it is sort of the EDC of 4x4s and IMO the nearest vehicle 'in spirit' to original Willys and Ford. Shame that Fiat didn't go with the suggestion made by an owner some years back (see image). That would have made our US cousins smart a bit eh? Mind you - the Jeep Renegade is a Fiat isn't it.
And oh what a shame that Fiat didn't push production of this prototype base on the older Fiat Panda 4x4 (and which incidentally were based on the mountain goat of 4x4s - the Steyr Puch Haflinger!)
As for running costs - what running costs?! Did I mention 56 mpg?
Fiat Panda Cross 1.3 litre multi-jet turbo diesel 4x4 with electronic locking diff and hill start. 56 mpg.
Very true and mine has been used both off-road and in that smashing blast of winter weather that we had several years ago and performed admirably, towing cars twice its weight over packed snow. (You can pick them up sub 5k now and well worth it).
I only wish that I had had my dash cam back then when I trolled up in the Panda to a location that Jeep and Landrover drivers thought they were the only ones who could get to it!
Off road it's only limitation is ground clearance (and on really steep, extended inclines - standing-start power) but if you pick the right line and keep the momentum up it can be very impressive.
It's size and power to weight ratio (plus psuedo diff lock system) has seen it go through places larger 4x4s have floundered.
It is a great shame that JLR can't make something similar (even better) with such all round performance for UK consumption.
I've owned and off-roaded most common makes of 4x4 over the years but as an all rounder the FPC takes the biscuit - it is sort of the EDC of 4x4s and IMO the nearest vehicle 'in spirit' to original Willys and Ford. Shame that Fiat didn't go with the suggestion made by an owner some years back (see image). That would have made our US cousins smart a bit eh? Mind you - the Jeep Renegade is a Fiat isn't it.
And oh what a shame that Fiat didn't push production of this prototype base on the older Fiat Panda 4x4 (and which incidentally were based on the mountain goat of 4x4s - the Steyr Puch Haflinger!)
As for running costs - what running costs?! Did I mention 56 mpg?
I'm really surprised that nobody has mentioned these little bad boys...
https://youtu.be/BhG6nD3t7eQ
Renault 4L bring back old child memories ...
Sand, mud , water could not not stop these humble motors.
https://youtu.be/BhG6nD3t7eQ
Renault 4L bring back old child memories ...
Sand, mud , water could not not stop these humble motors.
Aye Up,
Janne I think that you misread the OP - 'The Greatest Off Road Vehicle Ever' - not 'The Greatest Always Off Of The Road Vehicle Ever' but in that case you've won!
By the way did I mention Fiat Panda Cross - 56 mpg? Read it and weep Landrover/Jeep/Merc owners.
Janne I think that you misread the OP - 'The Greatest Off Road Vehicle Ever' - not 'The Greatest Always Off Of The Road Vehicle Ever' but in that case you've won!
By the way did I mention Fiat Panda Cross - 56 mpg? Read it and weep Landrover/Jeep/Merc owners.
Toyota Landcruiser 80
Full-time 4 wheel drive, 3 diff-locks, full solid front axle, 8 seats, room to sleep in the back.
See if you can find something that beats it in a tug of war. Ideal for high inclines or towing someone out.
Land rover, have slightly better clearance and approach angles, but put a 1-2" lift on one of these, and anything is possible.
Far, far more comfortable than a Lanny.
Made with NGOs in mind as the primary market.
Toyota reliability as standard.
Simply, the greatest production vehicle EVER
Full-time 4 wheel drive, 3 diff-locks, full solid front axle, 8 seats, room to sleep in the back.
See if you can find something that beats it in a tug of war. Ideal for high inclines or towing someone out.
Land rover, have slightly better clearance and approach angles, but put a 1-2" lift on one of these, and anything is possible.
Far, far more comfortable than a Lanny.
Made with NGOs in mind as the primary market.
Toyota reliability as standard.
Simply, the greatest production vehicle EVER
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