Internal v External frame packs

[richy3333]

I switched about 5 years ago to external frame packs due to a back problem, and I do prefer them, horses for courses and all that. I have a Savotta 323, Savotta LJK, LK70 and LK35 and I get on much better with them. I also have a french army cce camo bergen which is kind of a hybrid as in the frame is on the outside of the pack but it is more hugging to the back, I tend to use this one more for car camping.

Thanks boney gumbo mcgee. If I go down the external route it’s the Savotta range I really am taken to. Probably an LJK or a civvy type 50. Can you completely remove the sack and use the frame to carry other things? Can I ask where you purchased yours from?

 

[Leshy]

Thanks boney gumbo mcgee. If I go down the external route it’s the Savotta range I really am taken to. Probably an LJK or a civvy type 50. Can you completely remove the sack and use the frame to carry other things? Can I ask where you purchased yours from?

Now we're talking...
An external frame pack that you can remove the pack to carry awkward loads .
Just like Dick Proenekke 's in "Alone in the wilderness."
Its shown here at 00:16 seconds in.

https://youtu.be/uky5_WtVqOs

Is there similar packs available today? Old or new?
Apologies for the slight thread hijack

 

[crosslandkelly]

Is there similar packs available today? Old or new?
Apologies for the slight thread hijack[/QUOTE]

I've just bought an old one from ebay £18 posted.


There are many more. https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_...e+.TRS0&_nkw=external+frame+rucksack&_sacat=0

 

[wortbag]

Can anyone recommend a good padded waist belt for an external frame? All the Molle II belts are in America as far as Ebay are able to say, anyone know anywhere in the UK that stocks them or are there any better ones to go for?

 

[Leshy]

Is there similar packs available today? Old or new?
Apologies for the slight thread hijack

I've just bought an old one from ebay £18 posted.
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There are many more. https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_...e+.TRS0&_nkw=external+frame+rucksack&_sacat=0[/QUOTE]Thanks , but I meant the awkward load carriers that can also be used for backpacks. Just like Mr. Proenekke in my last post .
I think the British army did indeed have these at some point , but they're as rare as hen's teeth now....

 

[crosslandkelly]

[/QUOTE]Thanks , but I meant the awkward load carriers that can also be used for backpacks. Just like Mr. Proenekke in my last post .
I think the British army did indeed have these at some point , but they're as rare as hen's teeth now....[/QUOTE]

Google pack frames or pack rabbit.

 

[Laurentius]

I am still working on this problem I have been tweaking my willow frame pack and now it is a hybrid with aluminium and wheels from machine mart, but you do as you do. When I get my tricycle I shall see if it will last up as a trailer and if it doesn't tweak it again. Now this is it with innovation and invention, I can use that frame and the wheels to turn my Lowe Alpine Sting into a shopping trolley. Necessity is the mother of invention.

 

[crosslandkelly]

I am still working on this problem I have been tweaking my willow frame pack and now it is a hybrid with aluminium and wheels from machine mart, but you do as you do. When I get my tricycle I shall see if it will last up as a trailer and if it doesn't tweak it again. Now this is it with innovation and invention, I can use that frame and the wheels to turn my Lowe Alpine Sting into a shopping trolley. Necessity is the mother of invention.

Sounds like an interesting frame concept. Do you have any pics?

 

[Leshy]

Google pack frames or pack rabbit.

Thank you!👍

 

[Robson Valley]

Can you take the bag off an internal frame pack so you could load a pair of 20lb propane tanks on the frame?

 

[Janne]

That is what one wheeled push wagons are for!

 

[MrEd]

That is what one wheeled push wagons are for!

Isnt a one wheeled push wagon just a wheel barrow ??

 

[Janne]

Yes. I was thinking of the Chinese version. With the huge central wheel. The larger wheel the better in terrain.

Being a fossil, I am seasoned to like the external frame. Airy, easily adjustable bag-frame, frame - body.
Plus, if you find a frame that fits you like a glive, you can swap the bag for some other one, even from a different manufacturer!

 

[Macaroon]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tatonka-1130-Lastenkraxe-Pack-Frame/dp/B001RTT8PG

 

[Robson Valley]

Thanks, Macaroon. Too bad it shows out of stock.
The shelf makes carrying propane tanks so much easier.
Years ago, I saw an external frame that had a detachable shelf.
Made perfect sense but I don't know if the design worked in practice.

 

[Janne]

When external frames were the norm, all Swedish brands of backpacks had frames with detachable lower shelves, detachable add-on top frames, top shelves.
They were expensive though. Stronger frames than normal. Made to carry heavy stuff long stretches in the mountains and forested areas.

Then Evolution happened and the Internal Frame came.

It is difficult to find those top of the range frames in Sweden, I have been looking.

 

[boney gumbo mcgee]

Thanks boney gumbo mcgee. If I go down the external route it’s the Savotta range I really am taken to. Probably an LJK or a civvy type 50. Can you completely remove the sack and use the frame to carry other things? Can I ask where you purchased yours from?

Hi. You can remove the sack from the frame, but it does not have a bottom shelf to aid with securing the load but it could be done. I purchased mine from Varusteleka a few years back. https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/savotta-ljk-rucksack/24520

 

[Robson Valley]

Then there was the Kiwi brand: "Mountain Mule." I've used the "tanker" frame.
Hollow, you filled it with petrol or kerosene for the stove.
Easy to load but a 2-person event to fill a stove.

 

[richy3333]

As the threads gone so far off subject I’ll pitch in. Tasmanian Tiger sell a pack frame unit only. It has a bottom shelf for carrying. It’s called the TT load carrier, product code 7635. Looks good but no idea on price.

 

[richy3333]

Hi. You can remove the sack from the frame, but it does not have a bottom shelf to aid with securing the load but it could be done. I purchased mine from Varusteleka a few years back. https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/savotta-ljk-rucksack/24520

Many thanks. Looked at their website last night and considerably cheaper than prices quoted by Woodlore.