Fake Kånken backpacks / Fjällräven
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I agree. But why do people buy a fake badge?
Is a badge that important? For some it is. As the world is flooded by fakes.
Usually substandard goods too.
But, to defent Fjallraven, nobody makes a such good product as the Kanken.
Is somebody else doing one as roomy, with an easily removable closed cell sit cushion?
The original size is developed for daytrips, even wintertime.
Room for an extra jumper, a Trangia stove, some coffee/tea, sandwiches, some chocolates maybe a small bottle of Vodka for the coffee...
I have been told they look on the Napoleon era leather rucksacks some armies were equipped with.
Square, roomy.
Is a badge that important? For some it is. As the world is flooded by fakes.
Usually substandard goods too.
But, to defent Fjallraven, nobody makes a such good product as the Kanken.
Is somebody else doing one as roomy, with an easily removable closed cell sit cushion?
The original size is developed for daytrips, even wintertime.
Room for an extra jumper, a Trangia stove, some coffee/tea, sandwiches, some chocolates maybe a small bottle of Vodka for the coffee...
I have been told they look on the Napoleon era leather rucksacks some armies were equipped with.
Square, roomy.
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Of course, fakes have no value!
But it would be a good Idea to buy European production for high prices and Asian production for Asian prices.
Because with the European production you support your own country or the direct neighbourhood.
From my point of view the original Fjällräven now a days is a legally produced fake of the old Swedish production.
And that's it!
You want a skandinavian rucksack?
BUY A SAVOTTA !!!
This is made in Finland!
Or Surplus, what ever!
But it would be a good Idea to buy European production for high prices and Asian production for Asian prices.
Because with the European production you support your own country or the direct neighbourhood.
From my point of view the original Fjällräven now a days is a legally produced fake of the old Swedish production.
And that's it!
You want a skandinavian rucksack?
BUY A SAVOTTA !!!
This is made in Finland!
Or Surplus, what ever!
If something is made to the specs for the owner of the brand it is not a fake. No matter where it is made.
Very few things today are 100% made in the country of the brand owner.
Sad.
Savotta? I do not think it is 100% Finnish made. Not down to the materials.
And they do not make anything that resembles Kanken. Kanken is as far as I know unique in the design..
Very few things today are 100% made in the country of the brand owner.
Sad.
Savotta? I do not think it is 100% Finnish made. Not down to the materials.
And they do not make anything that resembles Kanken. Kanken is as far as I know unique in the design..
According to Swedish media the faked are sold by online dealers through sites like Ebay, Alibaba and Wish.
Brick and mortar stores are apparently olso selling the fakes, plus markets.
Brick and mortar stores are apparently olso selling the fakes, plus markets.
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What an interesting thread!!
I've been guilty of buying cheap, in China produced bushcraft goods. I got a wood gasifying stove which is as good as any Lixada or other brands.
I now want a pair of Fjällräven Vidda Pro pants, £145 in the shop, I can't ever imagine NOT to go to Cotswold Outdoors where I can try it on, check the quality, get the right size and have a come back should it be necessary. You just haven't got all this with stuff of ebay. I do not buy from Amazon anymore, as you never know where the gear is coming from. There are jobs, taxes and livelihoods involved.
Having said all that, I agree with the statement that brands themselves now really price themselves out of business.
I've been guilty of buying cheap, in China produced bushcraft goods. I got a wood gasifying stove which is as good as any Lixada or other brands.
I now want a pair of Fjällräven Vidda Pro pants, £145 in the shop, I can't ever imagine NOT to go to Cotswold Outdoors where I can try it on, check the quality, get the right size and have a come back should it be necessary. You just haven't got all this with stuff of ebay. I do not buy from Amazon anymore, as you never know where the gear is coming from. There are jobs, taxes and livelihoods involved.
Having said all that, I agree with the statement that brands themselves now really price themselves out of business.
Decathlon are one of the supermarkets of the outdoor gear world, I'm sure their bags are fine, they look fine. I get my meat from the local butcher, proper cuts of meat, sausages to his own recipe, award winning faggots and all sourced from local farms. I could get meat from Tesco for a lot less and I'd save money. I imagine some of their meat is good quality. I could drive a Ford Fiesta instead of my Alfa Romeo and it would no doubt be more reliable. I could drink Bells instead of Highland Park. but I don't want to do any of those things and it's nothing to do with the company name.
Value is an ephemeral thing. Look at all the fake £1 coins that were in circulation. Technically they had no value at all apart from the weight of metal but 99.9% of the time they bought you £1 worth of stuff.
I have checked several comparisons on Youtube between real and fake Kankar, and the difference in quality is huge.
The old adage 'you get what you pay for" seems to apply.
You can still find quality outdoor goods manufactured in Europe. If you want a high quality tent, for decent money, there are a couple of manufacturers in Sweden. Then one manufacturer in Czech Republic. That one makes tents not only under the own brand, but manufacturers for other European brands as well.
(BTW, Finland is not situated in Scandinavia!
The old adage 'you get what you pay for" seems to apply.
You can still find quality outdoor goods manufactured in Europe. If you want a high quality tent, for decent money, there are a couple of manufacturers in Sweden. Then one manufacturer in Czech Republic. That one makes tents not only under the own brand, but manufacturers for other European brands as well.
(BTW, Finland is not situated in Scandinavia!
Does anyone make a bag as roomy? Obviously yes hundreds to choose from
With removable cushion? Not many but hardly a deal breaker I have a thermarest inflatable seat pad which you can forget is in a trouser pocket never mind a rucksack
Looks like a very average daysack with minimal features and very basic suspension
Clearly copied because it's a fashion item (How big is that badge!)
Is this one of the vintage range that fjallraven told John fenna was just for fashion and not really meant for outdoor use?
With removable cushion? Not many but hardly a deal breaker I have a thermarest inflatable seat pad which you can forget is in a trouser pocket never mind a rucksack
Looks like a very average daysack with minimal features and very basic suspension
Clearly copied because it's a fashion item (How big is that badge!)
Is this one of the vintage range that fjallraven told John fenna was just for fashion and not really meant for outdoor use?
Fashion item? I am sure lots of people use them as fashion accesoires.
I used one in secondary school. In Uni. To carry books and other school things.
Parents had a few to take on day trips. Then I used them for day trips.
We now have a couple, use for day trips in Norway.
Wife has one as cabin luggage..
Have had them since 70's
Sunnydog, you do not know of anybody including a seating pad, do you? The whole pint with that is that it is tucked away inside the bag, also acts as a strengthener ( think internal frame of a sort).
You seem not to have handled one? There is a reason they have been made for around 40 years, Fashion is not the reason.
( I do not understand why I have to defend a company, and write all this on a thread I made to warn members so they do not get scr**ed buying a fake???)
I used one in secondary school. In Uni. To carry books and other school things.
Parents had a few to take on day trips. Then I used them for day trips.
We now have a couple, use for day trips in Norway.
Wife has one as cabin luggage..
Have had them since 70's
Sunnydog, you do not know of anybody including a seating pad, do you? The whole pint with that is that it is tucked away inside the bag, also acts as a strengthener ( think internal frame of a sort).
You seem not to have handled one? There is a reason they have been made for around 40 years, Fashion is not the reason.
( I do not understand why I have to defend a company, and write all this on a thread I made to warn members so they do not get scr**ed buying a fake???)
I just like them. Overpriced - yes.
I would love one specific of their tents too, but not at what they want.
I would love one specific of their tents too, but not at what they want.
Oh and now I've got a minute. I know of at least half a dozen packs that use a removable back pad and a couple that come with a built in stool
It's very popular with ultralight packs to use a sleep mat as a back pad. ULA, zpacks, and gossamer gear off the top of my head....so that's a sleep mat for one or two!!! Seat pads
It's very popular with ultralight packs to use a sleep mat as a back pad. ULA, zpacks, and gossamer gear off the top of my head....so that's a sleep mat for one or two!!! Seat pads
They want to be Scandinavians.....because we call ourselves Scandihooligans......they want to be cool dudes as us...
Scandinavia = Sweden, Norway and Denmark
Nordic Countries = Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Iceland.
That is how we classify us in that area.
Fenno Scandia includes Finland and part of Russia. Geografical classification.
The 'Scandinavian peninsula' is where Norway, Sweden, N.W. Finland and topmost Russia ( Murmansk area) is.
Scandinavia is a cultural/linguistic area, where we speak languages very similar to each other. Norwegian languages, Danish and Swedish. Germanic languages. People in Scandinavia used to travel wide and far, and were called Vikings.
What the Vikings did was to spread the Scandi culture, and a bit of needed DNA rejuvenation all around Europe.
It worked well, just look on how ucessful and beautiful you Brits are!
The Finns belong to the Finnish-Ugric language group. Culture vise they have a lot of connection to the Russians, due to many years of being ruled by them. Food, mushroom picking, stuff like that.
Swedish is still a language spoken in parts of Finland. Sweden ruled Finland for afges
Yep, complex. We are all brothers now though. Nordic brothers.
Scandinavia = Sweden, Norway and Denmark
Nordic Countries = Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Iceland.
That is how we classify us in that area.
Fenno Scandia includes Finland and part of Russia. Geografical classification.
The 'Scandinavian peninsula' is where Norway, Sweden, N.W. Finland and topmost Russia ( Murmansk area) is.
Scandinavia is a cultural/linguistic area, where we speak languages very similar to each other. Norwegian languages, Danish and Swedish. Germanic languages. People in Scandinavia used to travel wide and far, and were called Vikings.
What the Vikings did was to spread the Scandi culture, and a bit of needed DNA rejuvenation all around Europe.
It worked well, just look on how ucessful and beautiful you Brits are!
The Finns belong to the Finnish-Ugric language group. Culture vise they have a lot of connection to the Russians, due to many years of being ruled by them. Food, mushroom picking, stuff like that.
Swedish is still a language spoken in parts of Finland. Sweden ruled Finland for afges
Yep, complex. We are all brothers now though. Nordic brothers.
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